UM5302 touchscreen

wchiengwchieng Level 1
edited November 15 in ZenBook

on this page for laptop/home/thin and light

for UM5302 it says that it has touchscreen. However, the next page after selecting UM5302,

it does not mention it has touchscreen. Do you have a touchscreen version for UM5302 or not? For the US market, they seem to be able to choose either version. Are we able to buy the touchscreen version?

thanks (cant post links to the asus hk website)

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  • I have took a look for your model at two asus w eb sites:

    1. I like most the Asus Thailand web site where you can find more detailed technical information for your model. https://www.asus.com/th/Laptops/For-Home/Zenbook/Zenbook-S-13-OLED-UM5302-AMD-Ryzen-6000-series/
    2. At asus USA web site, there is no technical specifications. It is hard to see if this model is a touch screen one.

    https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/For-Home/Zenbook/Zenbook-S-13-OLED-UM5302-AMD-Ryzen-6000-series/

  • for the thai website, it does not say touchscreen in the specs however

    for the USA website, it gives the specs of it when you click buy:

    • 13.3-inch 2.8K OLED NanoEdge touchscreen, with an expansive 16:10 aspect ratio, the main touchscreen is Dolby Vision certified and PANTONE Validated to ensure accurate color rendering

    my guess is that some countries possibly have touch and some dont. maybe HK doesnt..


  • @wchieng

    There is a note at the back of the description

    https://www.asus.com/hk/Laptops/For-Home/Zenbook/Zenbook-S-13-OLED-UM5302-AMD-Ryzen-6000-series/

    Regarding the question of whether there is a touch-enabled version for sale in Hong Kong, I will forward the information to the relevant department. We will keep you updated and your consideration will be very much appreciated.

  • edited October 14

    @wchieng

    It has been confirmed that a touch-enabled version (90NB0WA1-M00U50) is available for sale in Hong Kong. We would suggest that you can ask your local dealer. Thank you.

  • Unfortunately i am going for the 13.3 oled AMD version (UM5302). the version they suggested (90NB0WA1-M00U50) seems to be intel based :(


  • @wchieng

    I am very careful when purchasing a model which offers two technologies to choose because I had a bad experience with Lenovo Ideapad gaming 3 four or five years ago.

    At first, I purchased an AMD base one. After trying to connect two external hard disks without success, I decided to go back to the shop the day after tomorrow. I showed the technical team how the purchased model could not answer to my need. The shop replaced the AMD gen by the Intel gen. Of course, I paid a little bit more.

    That was acceptable.

    From that experience, I always pay attention to purchase a new laptop. If I want to buy an AMD based gen, I will recheck for power support to external hard disks.

    For your case, if the version suggested by Asus is Intel, may be you have to ask for replacing your current one by Intel based version. I think it is reasonable to pay more if the intel based version is a little bit more expensive than the AMD one...


     

  • yes indeed it is abit more expensive.. the intel version UP5302 is 14000 vs AMD UM5302 is 11000. Reason for choosing AMD is obviously its 20% cheaper for essentially the same spec and also the UM5302 has integrated radeon 680m which suppose to be alot better than intel's iris xe for 3d applications.

    based on your previous experience i will indeed check re: power support to ext hdd. thanks for your comment

  • Beware that the AMD version does not support USB4, unlike being wrongfully circulated on the Internet. Asus has released a USB4-enabled firmware for reviewers, but decided not to release it to the public ultimately.


    Making things worse, USB4-enabled devices with USB3 compatibility will also not work (such as USB4 docks with USB3 compatibility, the ones based on Intel JHL8440).


    When it comes to performance, the AMD 6800U was not being fully utilized in the chassis of UM5302TA. Ideally, the chip should yield some 9000 points in GeekBench 5, while in this chassis it reaches 7500~8000. An average Intel 1260P should get you 8000+ and an average Intel 1280P should get you 9000+, so in the same price league, X1 Nano might be a better fit.


    The integrated 680M is indeed a way better GPU, but not good enough to support 2880*1800 gaming, even on competitive titles like CS:GO. The built-in display does not support 1440*900 mode, so integer downscaling is not an option either.


    The real advantage of the AMD version is battery life. Even with a power hungry OLED and a less optimized power management driver (I use Linux), my UM5302TA constantly gives me a 10+ hour battery life. Also this laptop is incredibly quiet even under heavy loads. Under normal loads, my unit is barely warm and the fan will not spin at all.


    The main reason I went for UM5302TA is because I live in Mainland China, where this machine can be bought for only 6000 CNY (6800U, blue, 512GB, 16GB, the 1TB white version is also available for 6400 CNY), almost 2/3 the price it was sold anywhere else. If I was to pay its listed 1299 USD international price, I would would have chosen an X1 Nano in any day.


    For the USB power problem reported by FongPoui, I'm glad to report that on my unit, all those type C ports seem to be happy delivering high power to external HDDs, SSDs and LED screen bars. The left port is a USB3.2 port, which by spec, should be able to deliver 5V 900mA, but most of them are designed to deliver at least 1.5A. The right 2 ports are hardware USB4 ports being downgraded to USB3.2 in firmware. USB4 hardware are required to be able to deliver at least 5V 3A.


    Feel free to ask more questions about this device. I've had it for 2 months, and I think I know quite some pros and cons of it.

  • @blueskull

    damn CNY6000 is such an awesome deal! price of those dead stock for older generation machines.

    i am sure the oled screen is awesome but do you notice it being 60hz refresh and at any time you feel that you would prefer 90hz refresh?

    i do alot of math entry hence i look forward to having at least the virtual numpad rather than the need to get an ext usb numpad. does the numpad work without many mistakes and work as advertise (or is it more of a gimmick)

    as for the usb 4 support i am quite disappointed about that.. wonder if we can find that firmware upgrade somewhere online

    1. I've never used 90Hz other than on my phone. I do not feel 60Hz being laggy at all. Of more importance than refresh rate is latency, which OLED excels at. BTW, this OLED screen does NOT exhibit burn-ins at a reasonable brightness (~250cd/m2), this is also a huge hidden selling point.
    2. I use Linux, and the driver for virtual numpad is finicky to say at least, so I do not use it. I do number entry a lot too, but since I've been using 87 and HHKB keyboards extensively for the last 10 years, I found myself very used to keyboards without numpads.
    3. Despite quite exhaustive searching and forum posts and private messages, I was never able to find anything that enables USB4. This is not only a BIOS limit, but also a type C port controller firmware limit. Even if you have a BIOS editor and hack the options, you will still face a locked down port controller.
  • BlueskullBlueskull Level 1
    edited October 16

    Regarding USB4, I need to clarify that the type C ports on this computer are capable of carrying DP1.4 + USB3.2, meaning up to 16.2Gbps of video and 10Gbps of full-duplex data in 2 lane + 2 lane mode (2 DP lanes, each at 8.1Gbps, 1 USB Tx lane and 1 USB Rx lane, each at 10Gbps). This is more than enough for single 4K 60Hz plus 10Gbps of USB data simultaneously.


    If you do the math, all four lanes running at full capacity means 36.2Gbps of total bandwidth, which is not bad compared with USB4's 40Gbps. Also, with USB3.2, you get real 10Gbps USB data, while on most USB4 or TBT3 devices, you get USB ports expanded from a single PCIe Gen3 lane, which maxes out at 8Gbps.


    While USB4 or TBT3 can carry two 4K 60Hz monitors and this can't, this is probably the only real difference. PCIe passthrough is not really that useful unless you plan to connect eGPUs, and on this machine, the CPU TDP is set so low that gaming was never an option.


    That being said, thanks to MST technology, the type C port on this machine can carry dual monitors, as long as the total bandwidth is within the limits. For instance, dual 1080p60 is way within the bandwidth limit, so is dual 1440p60.


    In my day-to-day setup, I have a 3840*2560 60Hz monitor connected over DP to my USB3.2 dock, and the dock is connected to a 10Gbps NVMe drive. In addition, the dock connects to 2.5Gbps network. With everything maxed out, the connection remains solid, way better than when I was using USB4 on Intel computers.


    TBT3/USB4 is finicky, the connection is very fragile and a little wiggling on the connector may cause a lost of connection. On USB3.2, the connection is considerably more robust thanks to its lower bitrate. In my years of toying with TBT3, I've only found very few cables that remain truly stable over time and mechanical stresses.


    Remember I said 40Gbps for TBT3? That 40Gbps is full-duplex, meaning the total bidirectional bandwidth is 80Gbps, so each lane runs at 20Gbps. With USB3.2 + DP1.4, each lane is running at no more than 10Gbps, making the connection much, much more forgiving. Spoilers alert, you almost never have a chance to run full-duplex unless you use your TBT3 connection as an NVMe NAS or multi-10GbE router, which most sane people will not do.


    So overall, unless you use eGPU, I don't really think TBT3/USB4 is that important. Yes, it is a theoretical downgrade from my past Intel experience, but I don't really miss the past since I got better reliability and higher data speed thanks to native 10Gbps USB. I used to rely on dual external 4K monitors since I was using a 10" pocket PC and the built-in monitor was really not usable. With a normal-sized laptop, the built-in one is more than usable, so I no longer needed dual external monitors.

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