If you already showed the comparison then they should be online no? You keep dodging me.
Also you don't really seem to understand how cameras work, the reason why 1 seems dull while the other doesn't is simply because of how the displays work. LCD have a backlight layer which always will wash out the screen more than OLED's on cameras because the light source is stronger. The color reproduction isn't my focus, so it's not even an argument. Also all the thing you claim never existed, did exist, they however have been drawn out more through the camera, if you were to look really hard you'll notice that these things did indeed exist, however were very unnoticable.
Your eye argument is not very good. Humans always use tools to measure things and not just their eyes. You won't ever find a professional that will not use tools and eye ball things, because the human eye is deceptive.
Your choice of returning the rog5 is absolutely fine. I found issue with the device as well, hence I don't have it either. I have looked at it, found it wanting in several areas and didn't bother anymore with it. I just wanted to get a better picture of the display state, as when I looked at it it had crushed blacks.
You can cry as much as you want but the display is high quality wheter your like it or not. Just because the display is misused doesnt mean it's cheap quality. It's very important that you understand that the display is high quality but looks bad thanks to a bad calibration. If you asked me to recommend a phone I would never recommend a rog phone product, because so far: the rog1 suffers from massive support issues, rog2 PM8150 chip dying, Rog3 display calibration bad, Rog5 durability problems, display issues, thermal throttling even with cooler on.
If ASUS does a proper calibration then the rog3 is the only rog phone I would safely be able to recommend, but until then the display is mishandled badly and the phone isnt recomendable because the color banding is actually quite bad.
Why is this important? Well because this means that it can be fixed. A cheap panel causing issues cannot be fixed, a good mishandled panel however can.
I dont dodge you. I never said that I made any comparison online. I had 2 weeks for return after purchase to test ROG 5 as much as I could. I made test for myself and I spend a lot of time for it. I do not make reviews or comparisons online. Dont have time for that. I just came here to ask for green tint which is the only one reason for refund.
I didnt even talk about Mi 10T "display wash out", which is not the focus here. I just showed you Mi 10T to make you know how it looks like on ROG 5. Why are you attacking me so hard suggesting that I have no knowledge? I just pointed that there is no sense to make any comparison for colors with camera and S7 is boosting colors on ROG 5, which is far away from reality. You can keep saying that "it reveals existing hidden colors", this is your opinion, but it will lead you nowhere. That has even no sense to think that there was hidden orange in dark (orange banding in Batman scene), when ROG 5 is lacking orange so much.
Yes, humans eye is not perfect and every eye is different. You dont see colors like me and I dont see colors like others. So everyone should test display for himself and do not using online reviews which are mostly useless.
You say that professionals use tools to calibrate displays. I just thinked about it some time ago. Why displays are not calibrated well and why we have so much green tint or red tint in many devices? Are they not calibrating displays? No. They just dont have proper calibrating tools. When I can see such a defect with my naked eye, why calibration tool failing so much? Your reference to the "perfect tools" is very mistaken.
I believe that you are very experienced in displays but sometimes such people doesnt see the simplest solutions. Very often new people, with little knowledge, have better and fresher view on some problems. You cant be so stubborn.
After spending a lot of time with Mi 10T and ROG 5, I can say that ROG has very good display and it could outperform Mi 10T easly, if display calibrated corretly.
Referring to dodging... You didnt answer me if you see Black crush on my photos and where it is and how it looks like. You said only about banding. I still didnt find Black crush in ROG 5 as you describing.
Yes the display is really high quality but you point is 100% right , as i also agree with you , one thing i say lets just wait for A11 as mods have said they passed this to devs , if after A11 issue persist than you guys have every right to take the stand and even i will be with you guys but just wait till A11 and it will be around month or so and as current beta are pretty much stable so lets just wait few weeks and if they dont fix it , we will take stand
Is this some elaborate troll?
quote 1: I already did many photos with S7 comparing Mi 10T and ROG 5 few days ago.
quote 2: I made test for myself and I spend a lot of time for it. I do not make reviews or comparisons online.
So you're telling me uploading said photos taken take so much time? Kinda doubt it.
quote 1: I didnt even talk about Mi 10T "display wash out", which is not the focus here.
quote 2: Left phone is Mi 10T, right ROG 5. In this photo you can see that left side is dull
Yes you did.
Why are you attacking me so hard suggesting that I have no knowledge
Citation please, I'm not sure where I supposedly suggested you have no knowledge nor that i "attacked" you.
I just pointed that there is no sense to make any comparison for colors with camera and S7 is boosting colors on ROG 5, which is far away from reality. You can keep saying that "it reveals existing hidden colors", this is your opinion, but it will lead you nowhere. That has even no sense to think that there was hidden orange in dark (orange banding in Batman scene), when ROG 5 is lacking orange so much.
I'm not going to repeat myself.
This would be a horrible stance to take. That way we might as well throw all calibration tools out and just let displays look awful with the comment: "We think it looks great with our eye".
Correct, professionals use tools such as SpyderX to calibrate displays, no professional who has anything to do with displays and color reproduction will ever use an uncalibrated screen.
Not calibrated well? Displays are usually not calibrated at all. Also you stating a company like ASUS with millions of USD don't have the budget to get a 200USD calibration tool is ridicolous. You clearly do not understand how displays and calibration tools work at all. So refrain to talk about the matter.
How many displays have you calibrated in the past? Oh yes, none. It's like saying sometimes its better to let your neghboor do your teeth because experienced dentists don't see the simplest solutions. It's ridicolous.
As for the last part you still don't upload all the pictures you took. Not only that but:
You didnt answer me if you see Black crush on my photos and where it is and how it looks like.
You didnt once ask me to point any black crush on your photos. If you think so citation please (you will fail on this if you try).
Oh, I see now how you toxic are. You pointing everything with so much hate.
"This thing what you call "banding" occurs in Mi 10T Pro too, but it is less visible, because lower contrast. As I said, if you max your contrast, you will see this "banding" effect.
I though that people call it black crush. So what is that black crush? Just losing details (black areas and things not visible)?"
Yes, I didnt ask it directly, but this is interpretation of my question. I asked you earier about Black crush and you suggested me to watch Batman trailer. I didnt find any "missing details" in whole trailer and you said earier that Black crush results with losing details. So why all the time you keep telling that ROG 5 has Black crush when you cant point any example which can show it on my device?
You ask me all the time for more photos but what photos? Why should I losing my time to trying find Black crush or making random photos to show you something that I dont see on my device? I find only one issue in Batman movie and I put the best example of it. There is no sense to making more photos.
You have ROG 3 so you could tell which scene you want, instead: "give me all photos or I will hate you".
Calling me troll, because you dont understand is disgusting.
I said that I made many photos with S7 to compare both devices (I did it because that was strange behavior that photos expose colors on ROG 5 incorrectly). But have you ever though for one second that I do not have this photos anymore? Do you keep every photo made in your life? I checked what I checked and deleted. But I can say that there was no issues with missing details, which you call Black crush. Yes, this is problem to send photos from S7 everytime you request, because I dont have S7 with me and it doesnt connect with USB to my PC. I have to send it from S7 to another device. I wont do that everytime you say "give me more photos" without saying excactly what photo you want. Who do you think you are? Im not your slave to do everything what you say.
So you say that Samsung selling uncalibrated displays? And you are one of this people who calibrate displays, because Samsung doesnt do that? Okey.
With your attitiude there is no sense to talk with you anymore. I could discuss every sentence with you, endlessly.
Keep being the one of this "display calibrators" which Samsung is lacking.
Well, color banding is an inaccurate colour presentation. It happens when values within a gradient get pushed so much that there is no color/value in actually represent.
Black crush means that details in the very dark areas are lost. You are right, black crush is "just losing details black areas and things not visible"
Here an example.
If you scroll down, you will know what it mean.
Samsung's display anyday is 10 times better compared to asus that's a fact.. even a Samsung's phone with half a price has better display than asus. difference between 120hz and 144hz is very negligible...
At this point I'll assume you're an elaborate troll. You're literally asking me to interpret things, call obejctive reasning hateful and still dodge the photo uploading like a professional dodgeball player. I won't bother with you anymore as I can see there is nothing to get from you oher than subjective rambling.
You ask me all the time for more photos but what photos?
I already did many photos with S7 comparing Mi 10T and ROG 5 few days ago.
Gee I wonder what photos I ask for. Also you go out of your way to make pictures, yet you then "delete" them. Why on earth would you make pictures if you have your "trusty eyes" if not to share it? You make 0 sense.
So you say that Samsung selling uncalibrated displays?
That's exacly what they do. The fact you think otherwise demonstrates you absolute lack of knowledge.
If panels were calibrated properly from the factory why do you think do companies like pixelworks try to calibrate the display when it's already calibrated? You're hopefully not going to come up with some BS story. Also by your logic that means all panels are not savable because they are calibrated, so S9, S10, S20 (SD), S20 ultra (SD), M51, Oneplus 8 pro are all doomed devices because they have broken calibrated screens, just showcasing what your lack of understanding implies here.
Stop the troll, thanks.
This is your 10x better samsunsg display in the Oneplus 8 pro:
Here is the OP 8 pro vs Samsung Note 20 vs Rog 3 vs Black Shark 3 pro:
Rog 3 easy win in terms of viewing angles
Rog 3 wins again, only phone that did not fk up in highlights, albeit the brightness was rather set high.
While the Rog3 has some trouble thanks to miscalibration it can easily compare and beat high end panels when calibrated properly no problem.
Why don't you sell the rog3 and buy a samsung? You seem to love them.
Oh no your superior samsung panels all have color banding and black crush. Must be an error right?! I mean Samsung panel best panel, how can this happen?! Must be haters, must be users hating!! Perfecly calibrated samsung S9 panel that still has black crush and color banding in 2021?! Nonono.
( I feel I have to put a disclaimer here and say that I am being sarcastic on the top statement on "superior" samsung panels )
here's my id: [email protected]
Can you please suggest me the solution for this black crush issue I even went to the service centre for that but they didn't do Jack shit there so I really need your help on this.
For that , you have to realise that you have to unlock bootloader which will void your warranty and you will not recieve FOTA from asus anymore
If you dont know what you are getting into than i suggest you to take your time , do some research and have some knowledge before unlocking bootloader
I even suggest you to wait till A11 coz mods told us thst they have passed the querry to devs about how danish made a fix so i really hope they might be working on it so it is good to wait until official stable A11 is released
But hey, i you really want to unlock your bootloader , you can have the fix
And mods @Gustav_ASUS , @ARP_ASUS people are voiding their warranty just for the sake of better of better display calibration including me and many other who have already unlocked thier device , so i dont blame you guys are you are not devs but you guys should inform devs about this so that people are not forced to unlock thier device
As mentioned before multiple times I will not share anything on this platform. Reasons stated beforehand.
Still I would say ROg3 has worst panel..atleast they don't have colour banding. And you have caliberated rog 3 by yourself then you are comparing it with samsung...you should compare rog 3 without your personal caliberation.customer buy phones to use it and not self caliberate it....okay.. and by the way nobody is interested in buying this waste piece of shit from me...I have already posted an ad online for selling this rog 3... Why don't you buy it from me. I will be more than glad to sell this waste of money
You are missing the point. What Danish is saying that the panels are calibrated at the factory for Samsung devices using similar techniques. This is why you see better images on screen than ROG because ROG is not calibrated as DanishBlunt has proven. So, if ASUS does similar/same changes that DanishBlunt has made on his device - your device will be calibrated. Danish does have a ROG 3, why would he get another one?
But anyway, "still I would say ROG 3 has worst panel", what do you mean by that then? Is it because it isn't calibrated?
He is very slow in the uptaking. This is also why samsung panels are usually awful on other devices than samsung themselves. Oneplus 8 pro being a prime example. And as far as I've seen the Rog5 also has questionable tinting and blurring.
All I want to say I don't want to get into these things whether caliberated by brand itself or by display manufacturer.. And asus is not going to do anything..I paid the have good experience with display.. But Iam stuck with this awful display.. If anyone could help me to get rid of this phone then plz help. I am even ready to exchange this with other phone..
You seem to REALLY hate your phone
Perhaps you can mail it to me for free? I I'd be glad to do experiments on it and post results of it you know
Give me your email Id
You can message me on youtube and if you truly want to send it to me,then send me your email in a private message
He is asking you to mail your device means deliver your device to him for "FREE"
Asking him for his mailing address not for email address